Hate sales? You might want to rethink that... If you believe your product or service has the potential to change someone's life, then you have a moral and an ethical obligation to learn how to sell well. If you don't, your client will remain stuck, without the answers they need to change their life. In this episode of She Grows, I sat down with business coach and sales expert, Tasha Smith, who has 20 years of experience in sales and leadership. She dispels the myths around "salesy" people and explained why people who feel in service to others struggle with sales and that feeling of being salesy. Tasha provides a simple way to shift your mindset so selling feels like a win/win for you and your potential client. She shares how she never had any hang ups around selling and how she can help you shift that too. We talk about what to say to people who feel like imposters when it comes to sales, how you can make the sales process more enjoyable for you and your potential clients, and Tasha shares an exercise to reclaim joy and remember the most important person you need to retain in our businesses: you. GUEST BIO: Tasha Smith, Founder of Emerge Sales Training, is a business coach, speaker, and author. With over 20 years of experience in sales and leadership, she has dedicated her life to helping others. Her powerful vision is that every person who needs to be able to sell to provide for their family will have access to high-quality training that brings them the results they have been praying for. Over the past 4 years, she and her team have trained and coached over 8,000 clients to create thriving teams and businesses full of confidence, profit, AND joy. Tasha is also the author of Customer First, which helps entrepreneurs not be high pressure or "salesy" because they create a sales process that customers love.
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Allyson Scammell: Well, hello there. This is Allyson Scammell. And in today's episode, we look at the super important topic for an entrepreneur, and that is how to make the sales process enjoyable for both you and your customer. I had so much fun speaking to business coach, Tasha Smith, about the keys to making the sales process joyful for
[00:00:28] everyone involved. Tasha tells you the secret to running a successful webinar. She shares some fabulous tips for people who feel uncomfortable by sales, and she explains specifically why joy is an important aspect of business. We end the discussion on a fantastic challenge that we'll have you creating win scenarios for you
[00:00:54] and your potential clients that feel good to everyone involved. So stick around until the end. Welcome to She Grows, a podcast for soul guided women entrepreneurs, ready to be seen and get fully booked using their unique genius, intuitive voice and spirit guides. Each week we'll explore how to create offerings based on what you do best
[00:01:22] So you can have a waitlist of ideal clients and bring in continuous
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[00:01:37] Hey, there she grows nation. That is the name of this sisterhood of soul guided entrepreneurs. Today we're talking to Tasha Smith about making sales enjoyable. Tasha Smith is the founder of emerge sales training. She is a business coach, speaker and author with over 20 years of experience in sales and leadership.
[00:02:02] She has dedicated her life to helping others.
[00:02:05] Allyson Scammell: Her powerful vision is that every person who needs to be able to sell to provide for their family will have access to high quality training that brings them the results that they have been praying for. I personally learned so much from my conversation with Tasha.
[00:02:22] She really does offer specific and actionable advice that you can apply in your business today. So please enjoy.
[00:02:35] Welcome Tasha. Thank you so much for being on the show and I'm super excited to explore this very important topic with you.
[00:02:43] Tasha Smith: Thank you so much. I also, and I'm super excited to be here.
[00:02:46] Allyson Scammell: Yay. So the listener to this podcast would probably call themselves a spiritual entrepreneur or soul guided or in service to their people or the planet.
[00:02:58] And they, I know, like, I think all people struggle with sales, but I think this audience in particular, why do you think that people who feel in service to others struggle with sales and that feeling of being salesy?
[00:03:14]Tasha Smith: that's a really good question. I think that there are a few different things that are happening and I'd love to hear which one you think is most prevalent or which one we should go in more detail.
[00:03:23] First, our culture has this idea of the selfish car sales person who just cares about or own quota. They're making a sale to make money. There's the whole Glen Gary, Glen Ross, Hollywood portrayal of sales, where it's about how can you manipulate the always be closing mentality? And so I think this really perpetuates a scenario in which many people, through their own experiences, through culture, through whatever.
[00:03:58]maybe even some of their own, self-worth challenges sometimes will come in like imposter syndrome, which we can talk about in more detail, if you like. they feel that it's a win-lose right. That if a sale is made, the customer has lost and I have one, right, like a zero sum game. And really that couldn't be further from the truth, a sale.
[00:04:22] It's simply, if you look up, I like to look up the actual dictionary definitions of a lot of the words people use and you know, the word salesy actually doesn't exist. And I think that's really funny, which means that the, even the concept of being salesy, Allyson is a social construct. it's not a real word.
[00:04:42] And yeah, the actual definition of a sale is an exchange of money for a product or service.
[00:04:49] Allyson Scammell: That's pretty easy.
[00:04:51] Tasha Smith: And the implications of that amount of simplicity. The city, I think, are so critical for people that are in service, because people will only give you money if they want your solution more than they want your money.
[00:05:05] That's when a sale is made. And so our role, we have to flip it on the other side, right. That. Making a sale is a gift to someone. as opposed to something that we're take, like people think I'm taking their money versus I'm giving them a gift and we're doing a fair exchange. We're doing a win-win exchange.
[00:05:27] And when we look at sales and that matter, right, because you have something they want and they have something you want, and it's just an exchange of value.
[00:05:36] Allyson Scammell: I love that idea of win, lose. I never looked at it that way. And I think that is a, I think that is a big thing. Like if I sell you my program, you're going to lose cause I get your money.
[00:05:50] Tasha Smith: Right, right.
[00:05:52] Allyson Scammell: That is really interesting. And did you say, did I get this correct? A sale is like, if I'm buying a program from you, let's say Tasha, I want your solution more than I want my money. Is that what you said?
[00:06:05] Tasha Smith: That's exactly right. Yeah,
[00:06:08] Allyson Scammell: because that's right. I want your solution.
[00:06:11] Tasha Smith: I want results.
[00:06:13] And. I think the salesy thing comes in when we flip what we're doing on it. Like we're looking at it wrong. And I fall into this. I've actually been in sales since 20. So I just turned 40 last month. So over half my age and I started selling knives and I was too young. I was too young to know that this was not something you're supposed to do.
[00:06:38] So you grow up and you're, you know, selling, wrapping paper and then you're selling candy bars and then you're selling spirit ribbons. Right. And then I've been current ribbons, remember high school, right? Like even really think about how insane this is. Here's a foil ribbon. You were on football day for $5.
[00:06:58] Like, can we just talk about the absurdity of that, but people want it right. They wanted this feeling of, I support my football team more than they were there. It's $5.
[00:07:08] Allyson Scammell: Right,
[00:07:08] Tasha Smith: right. Yup. And so we were providing a solution, a way to show your school spirit. And you know, and a fair exchange. And then I got to college and I was going to be a lawyer.
[00:07:19] And then I got a summer job and we had actually already had them. And I was like, these are awesome. My mom needs them. My aunt needs them. Everybody needs them. And sure enough, that's what happened. And I was too young to know you were supposed to think that's weird, but I was just like, obviously, why would anybody want bad knives?
[00:07:37] You do this every single day. But, you know, as entrepreneurs, right? We go through life. And when I quit my corporate job, it was very clear. It was like, you need to help more people. And there's entrepreneurs out. There's people out there. Like my specialty has always been in training, non sales people, how to sell.
[00:07:56] So I'm not the person like traditional corporate sales people. It's always been really your type of people that. I've always worked with since I was 20, right. college students are not the kind of people that they're like, I'm a professional sales person. Right. There's trying to earn some part time income.
[00:08:13] So those were the types of people I learned how to, teach people how to sell with right. They didn't want to be considered people. And what I noticed is. Because I never had that cultural issue. I didn't have so many hangups. It just became so simple, but we grow up. Oh, I was going to tell you about leaving my corporate job.
[00:08:33] So it was just, it was one of those things where I really felt like God was it's time to move. There are entrepreneurs out there. They're not making enough money. And. If they learn how to sell, they'll be able to feed their families because how many people get stuck? I'm sure you see this all the time.
[00:08:50] And a thousand, $2,000 in income. They actually can't take care of their family because they don't know how to make a sale. Right. If I do five appointments and nobody buys, then I'm in trouble. Right. You can't serve it. You can't actually help the person and until they move forward. And so when we started working in the space, this hang up, came up a lot, which kind of surprised me.
[00:09:14] So I had to do a lot of research on it and figure out where it came from.
[00:09:18]Allyson Scammell: I love this. So I would, you're a hundred percent correct in that. I think a lot of the listeners of this podcast, and I would definitely categorize myself as this. Some years ago would say that we're non sales people, you know, we're here.
[00:09:33]we're coaches, we're healers, we're yogis, you know, and we're not salespeople. Okay. And I think that a lot of listeners feel like getting back to the idea of imposter syndrome. They feel like imposters when it comes to sales. So what do you say, what do you say to these people too? Help them over that
[00:09:54] Tasha Smith: block?
[00:09:56] Learn how to tap, block, learn how to do it. Like you would. Anything else? I don't mean to be snarky or right. I'm an imposter piano player. So what would it be? The first recommendation you would give me play the
[00:10:09] Allyson Scammell: piano
[00:10:10] Tasha Smith: practice. Get a tutor.
[00:10:13] Allyson Scammell: Get a tutor.
[00:10:14] Tasha Smith: Yeah. Right. So YouTube video from a trusted, right. I would go through the same skill development process.
[00:10:22] See people have attached identity to this concept of sales, and we've already talked about it. We probably both mentioned it several times. I am a salesperson or I'm not a sales person. Right. That's an identity. And if you've done any habit, research you'll know that habit comes from identity. So if our identity is, I'm not a salesperson, we're going to skirt away from any training.
[00:10:47] Right. Because we believe back to the cultural thing that the sales person is, the car sales person icky gross. Right. but Alison, my question for you is have you ever worked with a good salesperson?
[00:10:57] Allyson Scammell: Yes.
[00:10:58] Tasha Smith: And how did you feel.
[00:10:59] Allyson Scammell: I'm calling to mind the coach I'm working with right now, she's a fantastic salesperson.
[00:11:05] And she helps me to produce so many results in my life. We just were negotiating about whether we should continue working with each other or not. And the way she presented it was a sales pitch, but it was so non salesy. I thought there's no way I can say no to this. Like there's only one answer.
[00:11:23] Yes. I want to keep working with you. So I don't know you asked that question and I thought of her an excellent salesperson. Who's not salesy at all and helps me to find solutions
[00:11:32] Tasha Smith: just as you said, right? She, you probably felt heard, cared for listened to the opposite of what people think of as a sales person.
[00:11:41] So that dichotomy is important. I will argue the difference between the two is training because we've worked with over 8,000 people we specialize in the network marketing industry. So the out the epitome of don't be salesy please. Right. and every single person that we've worked with has always been a good human.
[00:12:01] They want to help people. They believe in the life changing properties of their products, but they do come across salesy and it's because they have no skill. And so what they're left with is non-expert intuition, right? They're just like, whatever. Right. And they hear these little sound bites, like follow up and ask questions, but they don't have any actual practice.
[00:12:25] That'd be like me going up to a piano and just, you know, like our kids do well. I do. Cause I don't know how to play the piano, but just like banging the keys and it sounds terrible. And it's the same concept when it comes to sales, that once you understand that all sales is creating win-win scenarios, then what I need to do is I need to figure out how can I communicate in such a way that I demonstrate that they know how much I actually care about them.
[00:12:54] And one of the things that drives me since I know your audience is right at the spiritual spaces, I try to ask myself. who is praying for me to show up today because when we go to bed,
[00:13:07]Allyson Scammell: it's a beautiful question.
[00:13:08] Tasha Smith: Thanks. Think about the, you know, you started this podcast with intention, right? I would call it prayer, whatever anyone wants to call it.
[00:13:16] Right. So I wouldn't, we go to bed at night. you know, my daughter she'll pray for her eczema. Right. I'll pray for this specific situation and I'll pray for. Right. Our funnels, right? Oh yeah. So if I pray for the funnels, would it be like, we need to remember as service providers, there are literally people who are praying at night or in the morning for, with desperation, for an answer, and we're there to show up, but they do not want a freebie.
[00:13:54] Right. They don't want to be a charity case. I don't want to be a charity case with my funnel. So I gladly give my money to my coach. Right. And yeah. So when we start to reframe, like, what prayers am I answering? And then how do I strike a fair deal in which it's a win scenario? Cause it can't be a win for the customer and a loss for us because then we won't retain ourselves.
[00:14:17] We have to make sure it's a win scenario. I think that really helps with imposter syndrome. Imposter syndrome comes from not understanding your expert, intuition, not feeling like you're bamboozling someone I'm going. Right. They're going to find out I'm a fraud. Well, you're only a fraud.
[00:14:32] If you make a promise, you can't deliver knowingly. So if they're praying for something, right. So my clients, they pray for, what do I even do in my business? Or, you know, I pray that we can earn more income and then I get to show up and say, I have this answer to prayer for you. It's these really simple steps to increase your confidence.
[00:14:55] You don't feel salesy. Your relationships will be improved because a lot of time, our clients are working with people that they know either from a leadership perspective or a customer perspective, we'll make sure this happens so you don't need to worry about that, and you'll make more money and you'll be able to help more people.
[00:15:11] And so what I tell people that I, if you believe in the life changing properties of your product, you have a moral and an ethical obligation to learn how to sell well, because if you don't know how to sell well, your customer is screwed because they're left with a piece of paper. Right. I can't take that piece of paper, rub it on my belly and like heal my gut or whatever.
[00:15:35] Right. I can't. I actually need the product, right. I'm a business coach and I, you know, a lot of the work I do as an individualization, we have our membership and stuff like that. Well, I can't just like take a USB drive and take my brain and stick it in your brain. You have to actually join our community and take the stuff right.
[00:16:00] Like, that's the only way it's if your prayer is going to get answered. And so I think that helps me a lot. That helps a lot of people is just really reframing that I
[00:16:10] Allyson Scammell: freaking love this. It's like one of the best questions I've
[00:16:14] Tasha Smith: ever heard
[00:16:16] Allyson Scammell: in terms of thinking about what you offer to people. In your business, what prayers am I answering?
[00:16:23] I am so going to take that.
[00:16:26] Tasha Smith: Do
[00:16:26] Allyson Scammell: I'm glad it's beautiful. It really is. And I think it gets us nicely to my next question, with that in our hearts. Thinking about what prayers am I answering in my business offerings? Tell us Tasha, I'd love to know what you think are the keys to making the sales process more enjoyable for everyone involved the client and yourself
[00:16:48] Tasha Smith: question.
[00:16:49] So I like to start with asking, what is it that's unenjoyable about the sales process and going backwards. What are, what do you find unenjoyable about sales processes?
[00:17:00] Allyson Scammell: If someone, I feel, if I feel like somebody is trying to sell me something, I don't feel like I need and there they're just trying to make up.
[00:17:07] Tasha Smith: Right. Okay. So that's a huge, right? Like that feeling that you're going to be convinced. So what we want to look at is what are the ways that we can topple that as that's the most unenjoyable thing for the customer is feeling convinced and the most unenjoyable thing. For the person who is attempting to make the sale is trying to convince someone that doesn't want something.
[00:17:27] Right. Do you see how a win-win is starting to emerge? Yes. And so we're both. Frustrated about the exact same thing. We have control to change that. And so what we do is we teach all of our clients, these five keys, I'll go over them briefly, if you want to go in one more detail. Awesome. the first one is as often as possible set up an appointment now, of course you have online businesses, but in most instances where people are trying to get to the place where they are earning.
[00:17:54] Right. A full time income. They're probably still having mostly conversations with people. And so when you're setting up the appointment, transparency is important. So let's say I was going to talk to someone about business coaching, right? And say, okay, Alison, like we had established some sort of need.
[00:18:13]what I usually do is set up an appointment and we will go over your goals a little bit about what I do, and basically how coaching works. my part will take about 45 minutes and you don't have to move forward, but if it's something that you want to do, of course, we'll talk about how to do that.
[00:18:30] How does that sound.
[00:18:33] Allyson Scammell: Great sign me up.
[00:18:34] Tasha Smith: Great. So when it comes to the process, most people will not set up an appointment because there's so much uncertainty around what is going to happen in the employment. How long it's going to take. Are you going to high pressure? Me? What are we going to go over?
[00:18:49] Right. There's so much anxiety and uncertainty and people don't like that. By as semesters, we joke that we love surprise parties. If our spouse doesn't have something planned for us and we don't know exactly what it is, we're uncertain and anxious.
[00:19:03] Allyson Scammell: And
[00:19:03] Tasha Smith: we have to get rid of that from the very get go. And so what we do is we explain exactly what we're going to go over exactly how long it's going to take and remove the pressure, right?
[00:19:14] If you want to move forward. Great. And if not, no big deal. And then ask a consent question. Is that something you're open to? How does that sound, would you find that helpful, that one setting up your appointment that way will by itself probably almost double your closing percentage because your customer is prepared, they're feel comfortable.
[00:19:35] Their guard is down. the next four keys. Are really in that conversation. And then, so we actually run all of our webinars with this exact same cadence. So it doesn't necessarily mean it's only one on one. we run, we don't follow all the webinars gurus in the same way. Cause I'm like, I want to see your eyes.
[00:19:55] I want to ask you questions. I don't want to do a presentation because I know like when it comes to sales, right. This, the input question super important. So. When we were in the appointment, or even if I were doing a webinar, right. If I'm in a scaling space, I would start off with an agenda. Allyson, just as a reminder, what we're going to do today is we're going to go over your goals a little bit about what I do in our most popular coaching packages.
[00:20:22] My part will take about 45 minutes. You don't have to move forward, but if you'd like to, of course, we can talk about that. How does that feel? Feels good. Okay. And so how do you think that customers respond to that?
[00:20:37] Allyson Scammell: Good. I mean, good. I it's clear. I know what I'm going to get. I know what I'm getting myself into and I know that there's no pressure for me to sign up for anything.
[00:20:45] Tasha Smith: Yep. And where are you nodding your head?
[00:20:48] Allyson Scammell: I was nodding my head. How do you
[00:20:51] Tasha Smith: feel going?
[00:20:51] Allyson Scammell: I didn't know that
[00:20:52] Tasha Smith: because everyone always does, because what you're thinking is that's a fair deal. And so within 60 seconds I have just agreed. Remember our win-win concept. My customer and I have just agreed. Here's what we're going to go over.
[00:21:08] And if they want to move forward, that's what we're going to talk about at the end. The weirdest part is the transition. And so for me, once shame on you fool me every day, shame on me. So instead of like going done here, just the close, we just let them know in the beginning. Here's how this is going to flow.
[00:21:27] We're going to talk about these things. Right. And then we're going to talk about what it looks like to work together. And if you want to do it great. And if not, no big deal. And then they nod their head and they're like, that is a fair deal. I'm in the network marketing space. It turns into, you know, if you want to order something, you don't have to get anything, but if you see something like, of course we'll help you order it today.
[00:21:48] How does that sound? And they nod their head and they've just agreed if they see something like the ordering it today, not tomorrow. So, what do you think like all so go up is eliminated, right? our network marketing clients make sales on their first appointments between 50 and 80%. And the industry average is like 10%.
[00:22:08] And a lot of it has to do with, I love that.
[00:22:12] Allyson Scammell: Yeah. And I love that. And I've run a lot of webinars since I started my coaching business. And that was like my biggest thing, my biggest hurdle to get over. was that shift that like here I am teaching, giving content, giving value for free, right. And then, okay.
[00:22:31] Now I'm at the end of the webinar. Here's the time for the energy switch. Now I'm going to be asking you for something in return. And boy was that, I do it pretty seamlessly now, but that took me so much time to like get over. And I love this idea of just putting it up front.
[00:22:49] Tasha Smith: Brilliant. Thanks. what I think also what happens in that space is a lot of people don't even make an offer because it's so awkward.
[00:22:57] And so what this is doing is it's using the entrepreneur psychology, right? So we think about our service based entrepreneur, right? Without spiritual, like integrity is so important. Right. So what happens is we tell people you're going to come to this webinar. You're going to learn X, Y, and Z. Right. And so now it feels out of integrity to it.
[00:23:16] It's almost like a switcheroo. It feels like that while what we need, does it upfront say we're going to go over this information. And then at the end, I'm going to talk about what it looks like. If you want to dig deeper. Well, now my integrity hooked me in a different place. Now I can't jump out of making an offer.
[00:23:35] Cause I told them I was going to. That's really good.
[00:23:40] Allyson Scammell: And it's really good, especially I think if you're at the beach, if I think, especially if you're at the more beginning of your journey and you're still learning how to do the sales conversation. It still feels a little uncomfortable. I love that.
[00:23:53] Putting yourself on the hook.
[00:23:56] Tasha Smith: Yeah. Good, brilliant. Thanks. the third key is to gain input. So a lot of people like to start with their own story. There Teddy Roosevelt says, people don't care how much they know. And, you know, until, I mean, everyone can finish this. They know how much you care. Right.
[00:24:09] But what do we always start with? We start with talking about ourselves. And what happened, their eyes glaze over. And so the very next thing I do think there's a place to sell. Tell your story. So please don't misinterpret it. I'm just going to argue their story goes first. So instead of launching into, okay, here's the agenda.
[00:24:28] We're going to start off and launching into, let me tell you about me, right? We start off with, okay. Tell me what's going on. Right. Talk to me about your goals. What else? What else? What else? What else? even on our webinars, we'll have, you know, a hundred people on, we will like, if I'm doing a, I think we're doing a social media webinar next week and I'll just stop and I'll just say, all right, everyone's on zoom.
[00:24:55] Cameras are on. Like, this is really weird. Like, people are like, Whoa, this is weird, different. and I'll say what's hard for you when it comes to social media. And I'll just write down the notes and I've done this for hundreds of webinars, same question. And I write them down and I ask, what else?
[00:25:10] And then I'll say, let me make sure I got everything and I'll say everything. and then they know that I actually care about them, right? Every single person we've ever worked with, they care about their people, but they do nothing to demonstrate it. There is no evidence, and this is where we prove right by listening.
[00:25:28] Well, because that shows love, that shows caring. I mean, no one, even people spouse, like my husband comes on, I'm like, how was work? And he says, it was good. I don't say, Oh my gosh, that's fascinating. What else can we not do that too? Right. Even the people we love the most. And so what if as entrepreneurs, we did that, we stopped and said, what else?
[00:25:50] So we took really good notes. Awesome.
[00:25:52]Allyson Scammell: yes. Yes. And that just, that makes, to quote Donald Miller from StoryBrand you're making your client the hero of the story and not you.
[00:26:00] Tasha Smith: Right. Cause we're just the guide.
[00:26:02] Allyson Scammell: Cause there. Exactly.
[00:26:03] Tasha Smith: We're the guide. So, so then the next,
[00:26:06] Allyson Scammell: and that's a brilliant way to set that up from the gate.
[00:26:09] Okay.
[00:26:09] Tasha Smith: And do you see how the agenda even demonstrates the guide concept as well? We're going to talk about your goals. We're going to talk a little bit about how all I can really walk alongside of you. So the guide is setting the agenda, right? The guide is setting the path, your journey, right? And then the next part is when we go to explain whatever we're explaining, we have to use fourth-grade language, simple language.
[00:26:31] So most people, right. For our own importance, we want to explain it in words that are very smart, you know, so we can demonstrate how smart we are. Right. And that falls in this trap of trying to prove your value instead of providing value. And so that I would say, okay, well, we would start with this particular part, right?
[00:26:53] Like the first thing we need to do is figure out your sales conversation. And, but I would link it back. Right. I would say, well earlier you mentioned Allyson, that. You've been doing a lot of appointments and the follow up is really hard. So the first thing we're going to do is we're going to go over writing yourselves conversation and, that will help with that problem that you have that preparation.
[00:27:12] How does that sound, so use this combo of earlier, you mentioned, or have you ever, right. Have you ever sat down to write a social media post and you feel nervous and you're not sure if it's the right thing and then they go, yup. Okay, great. So. you know, we'll go over this part next and that'll help with that.
[00:27:30]and so it's just a combination of earlier, you mentioned, or have you ever, and using a common scenario and then it puts everything in normal language that your customer can understand. Again, we're decreasing uncertainty if use a word that they don't know, it doesn't make you look smarter. It makes them look stupider more stupid, stupider, more stupid, and people, little stupid are not going to move forward.
[00:27:53] Yep.
[00:27:54] Allyson Scammell: That's so good. And I have a logistical question. So you have a hundred people on your webinar. You're on zoom. So when you're asking these questions, they're chatting you, this response.
[00:28:02] Tasha Smith: That's me. I'm a crazy person. I like, so you
[00:28:08] Allyson Scammell: they're actually speaking to you.
[00:28:09] Tasha Smith: Yeah. Wow. That's cool. I mean, we have a high closing percentage,
[00:28:15] Allyson Scammell: so wait, and do they, and do you get to everybody?
[00:28:17] Cause I would imagine you'd
[00:28:18] run
[00:28:19] Tasha Smith: at a time. What's the most important part of the conversation?
[00:28:22] Allyson Scammell: Their desires and their pain
[00:28:24] Tasha Smith: points. Right. Not my information now I own that being said, I always know. And people just know there's like, there's Tasha is webinars and then there's after hours. Right. Because this is what people do.
[00:28:37] They drop their presentation for 45 minutes. Well, how much of a presentation do you ever actually want to hear? Yeah, not much, right? Like, what's going to help
[00:28:48]Allyson Scammell: you want to take away a couple nuggets, but
[00:28:50] Tasha Smith: that's right. That's what all the people are doing. That's the salesy part. That's the convincing, but I don't have to convince you if I say what's hard about social media, right?
[00:29:00] You tell me crickets. And I say, okay, let me make sure I really understand you because people move forward because they feel heard and understood. Right. Like if I get you, we know this concept, right. I just listened to your last podcast on target market. but if they know that you get them more than anyone gets them, like you get them more than they get themselves, then they're going to trust you.
[00:29:24] Right. Gallup did all this research. What do people want from leadership? Trust, compassion, stability, and hope. So here's my question. The pitch notice. I said sales conversation, not sales pitch, not presentation. And that's a really intentional framing when I built our company, that it is a sales conversation, which means it's two sided, right?
[00:29:46] One sided. It's not, here's my agenda. And here's all the information I'm going to go over. People don't make decisions because of information. They make decisions based on emotion. And the best way to gather emotion is to make sure someone feels heard and validated. And you cannot hear someone and validate them unless you actually let them speak.
[00:30:05]that's great. So
[00:30:07] Allyson Scammell: I'm going to have to come to one of your webinars.
[00:30:11] Tasha Smith: I mean, this will go live after that. but like, I mean, I'm not, I don't do slides or anything because I'm a teacher. So if you were in my space, if I were doing a speaking event, I would write on a whiteboard. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do slides.
[00:30:26] Like you don't have to do that. Right. This is my backup. This is my experience. Like I said, 20 years of teaching on a whiteboard. So that's how I run my webinars and alignment with my gifts and strengths. Not in alignment with Russell Brunson's gifts and strengths. Right. Like people out there they're brilliant.
[00:30:46]also me too. Right. And. The concepts are all the same, but the delivery. Right. And so we have, gosh, there is a, we build most of our lists through referrals. I'm sure you can imagine why. Right. So we'll run webinars for leaders. We had a list of 13,000 people with 8,000 customers.
[00:31:09] Allyson Scammell: Okay. Wow. Well, that's him
[00:31:11] Tasha Smith: right there.
[00:31:12] Our average client value in the network marketing space is $1,200. Like that's not normal. And they just stay with us because they'll constantly say you get us. And the reason that our content is always on point is because we've asked 20,000 people. What's hard for you, right? When you talk about target market, like my coach, like interview 10 people, great.
[00:31:34] 10 people, and then you go into a bubble. We ask every week, what's hard for you. Every coaching call I do it starts with, what's hard for you right now, because if I don't know the answers to those questions, how on earth am I going to bring someone to the other side? And so from a logistics perspective, I obviously have practiced crowd control.
[00:31:53] Right. and so when we let people on for the webinar for the logistics is we use a webinar plan through zoom. And then we just say, this is an interactive webinar. I'm gonna shoot you guys. Like we didn't treat clients, which means camera's off. So raise your hand. we're going to talk, actually talk, so raise your hand.
[00:32:11] If you want to turn your camera on, and your audio and we're going to actually have a conversation. So we usually get about 20 takers out of 120, 25 takers. If they're repeat people, they always know they just come in and raise their hand. And then I'll say something like, okay, what's hard for you about social media right now.
[00:32:27] And we just listen and I will do things that are crazy like this. Allyson. Okay. Wait, tell me more about that. And then they'll tell me more and then we'll stop and I'll say, okay, raise your, and if you can relate and now 20 people on camera on the replay are raising their hand and they can relate. And now all of a sudden they're not alone anymore.
[00:32:44] They're not the only person that feels this way. Right. And I'll say, okay, what else? And I'll call on Shannon and then I'll call on Sarah. And now I'm saying their names, right? All the webinars, like seeing their names. I'm like what? Say what he'd say. Yeah. And so now I can just write
[00:33:01] Allyson Scammell: if they're on mute,
[00:33:03] Tasha Smith: right.
[00:33:03] And I'll watch someone's wheels turn, and I'll just say, Hey, Jackie, what's going on in your mind right now? And she'll unmute and she'll tear up because no one's ever asked her that. That's so funny. So yeah, it's not conventional, except that it is cause that's what we would do for in person. I just think we need to mirror the in person, environment as much as possible over online.
[00:33:31] It's not about being different online than you would be in person. It's about being as more of the same, I think.
[00:33:39] Allyson Scammell: Yeah. Yeah, this is great Tasha. Oh my gosh. So we're talking about how to make the sales process enjoyable. So let's get to why does it matter? I mean, why is joy so important in business?
[00:33:55] I mean, yeah, it's obviously, yes, we want it. We want to enjoy our experience, but why is joy important for our business growth?
[00:34:04] Tasha Smith: So I made a big mistake. And this was when I started studying joy. So when I started, I love one on one coaching. It's my favorite thing in the world. So I thought I'll start on one coaching practice.
[00:34:13] Well, we grew like crazy grew. So we grew the first year I quit my job from 82,000 in revenue, which is pretty solid for the first year we had about 45,000 and profit. And the next year we did 1.4 million. Wow. Yeah. Okay. That's some serious groves, right? So what I ended up doing is hiring out all the coaching and taking the role of the CEO.
[00:34:38] And I hated my company, not my people in my company, not my clients were still getting great results like that. Wasn't really an issue. But the thing that brought me the most joy was stripped, but here's what started to happen. Resentment filled the gap. Right. Cause I didn't get to do what I wanted to do.
[00:34:57] And over time, the joy, what had created that hypergrowth, the fact that I was operating in my zone of genius and in my joys. And so people want to beat right. Confidence, belief, and enthusiasm, they are contagious. So our lack of belief and confidence and enthusiasm. And so what started happening as my lack of confidence, belief and enthusiasm started spreading because I was doing Dio stuff.
[00:35:25] Right managing right versus coaching. And that wasn't, that was horrible for my health because I was in a constant state of stress. and eventually I ended up losing a lot of money, like hundreds and thousands of dollars. every entrepreneur has that moment. Right. And now it's just like, all right, Tasha, you need to be on zoom six hours a day.
[00:35:50] Like you just need to be coaching something. And so my business partner runs all those other functions. We decided to have a much smaller team, because I just wanted to coach all day and we saw growth instantly. Right. We patch it. We first have, of course had to patch up all the holes and we started growing again.
[00:36:09] And every quarter after that, our profits started increasing. And so chances are lower now, but I just learned such a big lesson. And so I started looking some of the top people that I was working with and they were exhausted and they were tired and they were coming to me, even though we're making, you know, a hundred, 200, 300,400,000 a year, but they were about to quit.
[00:36:31] And it was because they were no longer doing the things. Right. What brought them joy. And so what I think what happens is we have to remember the most important person we need to retain in our businesses ourselves. So what we do is we do a really simple exercise, just said, T grid, and it's on the left side.
[00:36:49] What are the activities that bring joy and energy and my business. Write those things down and on the right. What are the things that suck my energy enjoy? And we don't let anyone off the hook. Right? So I believe in like a two thirds, one third balance. So I just had a coaching call at seven. I have you, right.
[00:37:05] These are clearly joy activities. I have another call at one 30 I'm in the middle. You know what I mean? In a deal, I'm going to write story posts, which is not my joy zone, but it's a path to my joy zone. And so I have to anything that's on the right side. I have to either reframe, how does this help me reach my joy zone?
[00:37:32]or I need to change my skill. So what I'm bad at something we'll you sales and isn't the simple right. Sales conversations might sucks omeone's joy. Well, why? Because you stink at it. So you have to analyze something on the lack of energy, lack of joy. Is it a skill issue? Right. Is it that I need to reframe it on my path to joy or, and then everyone will say delegate it.
[00:37:55] And I certainly that's potentially an option if you're good at delegation, but otherwise it'll create more. How about if you don't know how to delegate or do you just need to suck it up, have a glass of wine into it. Right. I hate writing slides. When I write courses with all my heart and soul. Remember I want to be with someone, but I can't outsource it because no one can get in my head and arrange it the way I arrange it.
[00:38:19] No matter how high caliber, like it's it, that my ranging is like part of my zone of genius. And so I can't get around it. So I get a nice bottle of wine and, you know, I'll have a glass of wine. I don't make my slides and I'll listen to pink. And we'll be happy pink and I will be happy together and we'll make our slides and it'll stink, but it's on the way to joy.
[00:38:43] Right. And I always try to remember that. And so I look at it as a math equation. You start your day with five. So if I woke up this morning, I didn't feel good. When I woke up, I was like, why am I starting work at seven? Oh my gosh. And so I start with four joy units, but then I have my, one of my favorite clients right now.
[00:38:59] I'm up to six. Now I'm meeting with you now I'm up to seven so I can wait. Like I have something maybe eight. Maybe I'll give you eight. This is pretty great. Right. They get just as many as Bailey and, right. So now I'm up to eight and I have more than enough energy and joy software through writing social media posts until I get to my one third where I get a few more picks.
[00:39:21] Right. And so if I have to like, meet with my accountant in the middle, which is horrible, right. Like I have enough it's deposits and withdrawals. And so I try to arrange, days. So that two thirds of my time is in the joys zone. And one third of my time is in the non joys zone. And then that way I'll always have a positive balance.
[00:39:40] I'll retain myself more importantly, my confidence, belief and enthusiasm spread to my customers, clients, people that are interviewing me on a podcast, et cetera. Oh,
[00:39:51] Allyson Scammell: this is fantastic. And I truly believe that you can hustle your way to six figures and just, you know, work your way through and not be thinking about the things that bring you joy in your business and just hustle your way.
[00:40:03] But I think when you get to six figures and you want to get to multi-six and then seven. I just don't think you can hustle it. You can't, you
[00:40:10] Tasha Smith: run out of hustle, right? I think so. I think it's hard to even get to six figures unless you have joy. So here's what I noticed. And I'll play a little devil's advocate.
[00:40:20] I'll send most people when they start their business, they grow in the beginning because they're running on joy. They're so excited, right? So when I started, I was like, everyone needs to know how to sell. This is amazing. You need to know how to sell it. So at every leader needs a webinar with me, this will change.
[00:40:39] I was so green and so enthusiastic and so excited food. Then all of a sudden, right, this corporation was like, what are you doing to ignore people? Right. And you start to have some of that play in. I changed my role and then I stopped having joy. And that's when we started shrinking. So what I tell most of my clients, like this comes back to the sales and the service part.
[00:40:59] Okay. So your audience, my clients, they're all about serving people, solving people's problems, right? So what happens is they do that to get to six figures, and then they stopped doing that to try to get to maybe 300,000. And it's not the problem. Isn't the business model. The problem is that they, the thing that brought them joy was delivering results to clients.
[00:41:21] And now all of a sudden they're writing Facebook ads all day. Right? And so that becomes a really big problem because the question is our business for our life, or is our life for our business. And we spend so much time 10 hours, right? As new entrepreneurs, 10, 12, eight, whatever, right. So much time working and a simple tweak.
[00:41:45] Right. Will make us happier there, which will make us happy with our family. Also then increased our results over time. The hustle comes in. Yeah. We were trying to rush the results, right. And trying to do, comparing to spare stuff, which moves us out of joy. As soon as you tell me, go now, go do in person speaking events, I don't like to travel, so do this, and then you'll be successful.
[00:42:09] Well, I'll be so overwhelmed so much in comparison, despair, all of those things I'm not going to do well. Like, I think it's actually creates a scaling problem. So what I said is no matter how much we grow and obviously the scaling is through online courses and memberships and sales systems and stuff like that, but I will never stop one on one coaching.
[00:42:29] Everyone's like get out of that time for money. And I said, Nope, it's my favorite thing in the world. I will always have a handful of clients that amendments as many as I do now. sure. Never make that mistake again.
[00:42:44] Allyson Scammell: That is really fantastic. I love it. Oh my gosh, Tasha, this has been really like, you kind of rocked my world with how you run webinars, so I'm like gonna totally be rethinking of it.
[00:42:55] And I think I'm going to sign up to one of yours and, just watch, I'm going to raise my hand,
[00:43:00] Tasha Smith: right? Use your hand. That would be amazing this time next week. So. Okay, I'll be there.
[00:43:08] Allyson Scammell: I'll be there. So I like to put my guests on the spot that you've listened to. One of my episodes. He might be ready for this question.
[00:43:16]can you leave our listeners with a challenge?
[00:43:18] Tasha Smith: Yeah. So I'm going to give you an impact challenge. And what I want you to do is I want you to write down, I'm not going to give you something like super hard. I want you to write down three humans that you've positively impacted with your business. That day.
[00:43:35] My coach taught me that the more people you impact, the more your income will grow. It also keeps us in the game and it keeps us in service and answering prayers like we've talked about. So if I could write down today, can I write your name down? Alison. I try positively impacted. Yeah, absolutely. I put me number one on the list.
[00:43:53] He Pacific time. So I helped Bailey my client. I also helped out, right. I already have two down and it's only eight 50. So, if you positively hashtags, if you act three people per day, that's a thousand impacts a year, your business will grow and it'll keep you mode. There's so much research. I won't get into that, but about motivation and purpose and mastery and aligning all of that.
[00:44:21] And so I got a cool message on a story post. We're talking about those story posts suck right. Hate doing it. but I wrote one yesterday, it showed up, somebody said, I needed this today. Thank you. Right. I'm going to put that person's name down on my impact. And if I do that ever, if that's what I focus on is what am I doing right now to create three impacts today?
[00:44:42]I'm going to, I'm going to be okay in my business.
[00:44:46] Allyson Scammell: That is a spectacular job. Domain
[00:44:49] Tasha Smith: two. You can use the five minute journal app to track. That is the easiest way to do it. Five minutes journal.
[00:44:56] Allyson Scammell: Yes. Yes. That is so excellent. Oh my gosh. Thank you so, so much for taking the time it's early in the morning.
[00:45:05] It's an, you know, it's almost quitting time for me here in central European time. you're up early, you took the time to chat with us. I'm so grateful. I know there's going to be a lot of listeners who are gonna want to get into your world and learn more about what you do. So please tell our listeners how they can
[00:45:22] Tasha Smith: find you.
[00:45:23] More than welcome to follow our main Facebook page. And that is just the name. The name of the page is network marketers rising up. We do a lot that is in the general entrepreneur space. Cause we look at that profession as an entrepreneur, but I want to give you guys a gift. I was thinking about this conversation.
[00:45:41] I thought your next question is, okay, great Tasha. Now, how do I write my sales conversation? And the way that you explained. And so what we decided to do is to give you guys two week trial to our membership that has our time management training, our personal social media strategy training, and our, all of our sales conversation inviting and writing the sales conversation, that numbers.
[00:46:02] And that's going to be free. You'll have two weeks. I chose two weeks because I didn't. I know that you're going to get 70 million Facebook ads in the meantime. So if I'll give you a short timeframe, you're more likely to do it. There's not going to be a credit card required. You can just. Go in, you know, give your email so we can create a login for you.
[00:46:19] You'll be able to start taking those courses right away. Just take a couple hours. All the templates are they're really easy. it's built for people that have no sales background, and you can use it for coaching and service providing outlines. And so you can just go to emerge sales, training.com/she grows.
[00:46:36]that'll be easier for you guys to remember and, get in that trial and start working on your conversation. And our mission is if you need to be able to sell the feature family, we're here to help. And we want to give you that gift.
[00:46:48] Allyson Scammell: Oh, my gosh, that is so generous. And all of those links will be in the show notes.
[00:46:52] Thank you so much. I'm going to check that out myself. that is a super great gift. very generous of you. Thank you, Tasha, and thank you again so much for sharing your wisdom. I just really enjoyed connecting with you and I learned
[00:47:05] Tasha Smith: so much. Thank you.
[00:47:07] Allyson Scammell: And I. Thank you so much for listening. And if you're loving this episode, which I hope you are, go ahead and hit subscribe wherever it is you listen.
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